Sauce For The Goose Mr.saavik
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A week into this there was one.no.two.now three allegations of some form of sexual misconduct. The allegations came from the Romney camp.no.wait.the Perry camp.no.no.it came from Rahm Immaneul.OK.its just becoming a little silly. We dont know if these folks were legitimately harassed or just disgruntled former employees going for a paycheck. We really know very little about anything. The only thing I know FOR SURE and that has swayed my opinion somewhat (and again.I wouldnt have voted for him anyway) is HIS response.which has been very much not stellar.
If it comes out that he was/is just a flirtatious type that had people mistake his behaviors rightly or wrongly, then I could probably over look that. Im betting we all have done things that could be taken a certain way.
But his public comments were not 'well.I know there were some folks that misinterpreted some things.nothing untoward was ever met.Im sorry they took it the wrong way and those have been settled-no harm, no foul, press on' then I would be fine. But thats not what his response has been. Regardless of what actually happened, I dont dance on what the meaning of 'is' is, and when someone says 'I dont know' or 'I dont remember' or point blank I have NEVER done anything untoward.well.you damn sure better be squeaky clean.Well, I think we can remove one of the accusers off the 'spill the beans' list. Apparently, one of the accusers (on the advice of her attorney ) has decided. The National Restaurant Association on Friday confirmed that it granted a financial settlement to a woman after she filed a sexual harassment complaint against Herman Cain in 1999.The trade group also freed her from her confidentiality agreement, although her attorney said she doesn’t intend to speak publicly on the matter. I would feel better about the situation if the women themselves came forward, and didn't hide behind attorneys and confidentiality agreements.
I also have questions about THEIR character as they agreed to keep the issues confidential in exchange for money and then sought ways around that by using attorneys to speak for them. In my mind they have already broken the spirit of the agreements, if not the letter, and should return the money.They have kept to the agreement.
As for who brought this up is unknown. Cain believes it was the Perry camp and Perry camp thinks it the Romney camp.What is known that Cain has had to back track so many times in this revelation. Probably the most irriatating thing to the women is to listen to Cain now say that he only said one was tall as his wife and put his hand up in the air. I think there was a little more to that and Cain knows it.At first his convenient lack of memory of any such harrassment claim is so over the board bogus.
I kind of think most people would remember something like that. He has bumbled and danced around this issue so much I hate to picture him as president and dealing with someone as sharp and hard as Putnin. Putnin would eat him up for breakfast. They have kept to the agreement. As for who brought this up is unknown. Cain believes it was the Perry camp and Perry camp thinks it the Romney camp.What is known that Cain has had to back track so many times in this revelation. Probably the most irriatating thing to the women is to listen to Cain now say that he only said one was tall as his wife and put his hand up in the air.
I think there was a little more to that and Cain knows it.At first his convenient lack of memory of any such harrassment claim is so over the board bogus. I kind of think most people would remember something like that. He has bumbled and danced around this issue so much I hate to picture him as president and dealing with someone as sharp and hard as Putnin.
Putnin would eat him up for breakfast.I would suggest that, if they have attorneys speaking for them, they have not kept the agreement. To me, keeping the agreement is not responding at all. Just letting it hang out there for speculation.As far as how Cain has handled it, that is another issue, albeit a very legitimate one in its own right.
Kirk: We are assembled here today to pay final respects to our honored dead. And yet it should be noted that in the midst of our sorrow, this death takes place in the shadow of new life, the sunrise of a new world; a world that our beloved comrade gave his life to protect and nourish. He did not feel this sacrifice a vain or empty one, and we will not debate his profound wisdom at these proceedings. Of my friend, I can only say this: of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most. McCoy: Kirk runs in to the engine room and sees Spock inside the reactor compartment.
He rushes over but McCoy and Scotty hold him back No! You'll flood the whole compartment!Kirk: He'll die!Scotty: Sir!
He's dead already.McCoy: It's too late.They let go and Kirk walks to the glass and pushes the intercom buttonKirk: Spock!Spock slowly walks over to the glass and pushes the intercomSpock: The ship. Out of danger?Kirk: Yes.Spock: Do not grieve, Admiral. It is logical. The needs of the many, outweigh.Kirk: The needs of the few.Spock: Or the one. I never took the Kobayashi Maru test until now. What do you think of my solution?Kirk: Spock.Spock sits downSpock: I have been, and always shall be, your friend.he places a Vulcan salute on the glassSpock: Live long and prosper.Spock diesKirk: No.
Sauce For The Goose Mr. Saavik
Terrell disobeys Khan's order to kill Kirk, who taunts Khan over the communicatorKirk: Khan, you bloodsucker! You're going to have to do your own dirty work now! Do you hear me? Do you?Khan: Kirk?
Kirk, you're still alive, my old friend?Kirk: Still, 'old friend'! You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!Khan: Perhaps I no longer need to try, Admiral.David Marcus: Oh, no! He can't take it.!Khan beams the Genesis device awayKirk: Khan. Khan, you've got Genesis, but you don't have me. You were going to kill me, Khan.
You're going to have to come down here. You're going to have to come down here!Khan: I've done far worse than kill you.
I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet. Buried alive! Buried alive.!Kirk: KHAAANNNN!echoKirk: KHAAANNNN!
Khan: Captain, Captain, Captain. Save your strength. These people have sworn to live and die at my command two hundred years before you were born. Do you mean he never told you the tale?
To amuse your Captain, no? Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space from the year 1996 with myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?Capt. Terrell: I never even met Admiral Kirk.Khan: 'Admiral?' Never told you how 'Admiral' Kirk sent seventy of us into exile in this barren sandheap with only the contents of these cargo bays to sustain us?Chekov: You lie! On Ceti Alpha Five there was life!
A fair chance.Khan: shouts THIS IS CETI ALPHA FIVE! Ceti Alpha Six exploded six months after we were left here. The shock shifted the orbit of this planet and everything was laid waste.
'Admiral' Kirk never bothered to check on our progress. It was only the fact of my genetically-engineered intellect that allowed us to survive. On Earth, two hundred years ago, I was a prince with power over millions.Chekov: Captain Kirk was your host. You repaid his hospitality by trying to steal his ship and murder him! On whether Kirk should assume command from SpockSpock: If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion.
Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny; anything else is a waste of material.Kirk: I would not presume to debate you.Spock: That is wise. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.Kirk: Or the one.Spock: You are my superior officer. You are also my friend. I have been and always shall be yours. Saavik: Admiral, may I ask you a question?Kirk: What's on your mind, Lieutenant?Saavik: The Kobayashi Maru, sir.Kirk: Are you asking me if we're playing out that scenario now?Saavik: On the test, sir.
Will you tell me what you did? I would really like to know.McCoy: Lieutenant, you are looking at the only Starfleet cadet who ever beat the no-win scenario.Saavik: How?Kirk: I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship.Saavik: What?David Marcus: He cheated.Kirk: I changed the conditions of the test; got a commendation for original thinking. I don't like to lose.Saavik: Then you never faced that situation. Faced death.Kirk: I don't believe in the no-win scenario. after allowing the simulated Enterprise to be destroyedSaavik: Permission to speak freely, sir?Kirk: Granted.Saavik: I do not believe this was a fair test of my command abilities.Kirk: And why not?Saavik: Because. There was no way to win.Kirk: A no-win situation is a possibility every commander may face. Has that never occurred to you?Saavik: No, sir, it has not.Kirk: And how we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you say?Saavik: As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occurred to me.Kirk: Well, now you have something new to think about.
Discussing the effects of the Genesis torpedoMcCoy: Dear Lord. You think we're intelligent enough to. What if this thing were used where life already exists?Spock: It would destroy such life in favor of its new matrix.McCoy: Its 'new matrix'? Do you have any idea what you're saying?Spock: I was not attempting to evaluate its moral implications, Doctor. As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy than to create.McCoy: Not anymore; now we can do both at the same time!
According to myth, the Earth was created in six days. Now, watch out! Here comes Genesis! We'll do it for you in six minutes!Spock: Really, Dr. You must learn to govern your passions; they will be your undoing.
Logic suggests.McCoy: Logic? My God, the man's talking about logic; we're talking about universal Armageddon! You green-blooded, inhuman.
David Marcus: Lieutenant Saavik was right: You never have faced death.Kirk: No. Not like this. I haven't faced death. I've cheated death. I've tricked my way out of death and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing.David Marcus: You knew enough to tell Saavik that how we face death is at least as important as how we face life.Kirk: Just words.David Marcus: But good words.
That's where ideas begin. Maybe you should listen to them. I was wrong about you.
Saavik And Spock
And I'm sorry.Kirk: Is that what you came here to say?David Marcus: Mainly. And also that I'm proud - very proud - to be your son. Preston: I believe you'll find everything ship-shape, Admiral.Kirk: Oh, do you? Do you have any idea, Midshipman Preston, how many times I have had to listen to Mr. Scott on the comm, telling me his trouble? Do you have any idea of the ribbing I've had to endure in the officers' mess. To the effect that the Enterprise is a flying death trap?Preston: Oh, no sir!
This is the finest engine room in the whole Starfleet! If the Admiral can't see the facts for himself, then, with all due respect, he's as blind as a Tiberian bat!Scotty: Ahem!Preston: Sir!Kirk: Midshipman, you're a tiger.Scotty: My sister's youngest, Admiral. Crazy to get to space.Kirk: Every young man's fantasy. Seem to remember it myself. Kirk: Kirk to Enterprise.Spock: Spock here.Kirk: Captain Spock, damage report.Spock: Admiral, if we go 'by the book'. Like Lieutenant Saavik, hours could seem like days.Kirk: I read you captain.
Sauce For The Goose Mr Saavik
Let's have it.Spock: The situation is grave, Admiral. We won't have main power for six 'days'. Auxiliary power has temporarily failed.
Restoration may be possible, in two 'days'. By the book, Admiral.Kirk: Meaning you can't even beam us back?Spock: Not at present.Kirk: Captain Spock, if you don't hear from us within one hour, your orders are to restore what power you can, take the Enterprise to the nearest star base, and alert Starfleet Command as soon as you're out of jamming range.Commander Nyota Uhura: Sir, we won't leave you behind!Kirk: Uhura, if you don't hear from us, there won't be anybody behind.