Mass Effect 3 Grunt Lives
Click to expand.The effectiveness of the Carbine (and Grunt's Avenger) depends a lot on what calcs you use for Mass Effect, e.g. 'mass accelerators are about as powerful as modern firearms of the same type, with some special exceptions' or 'ME assault rifles are on par with high end modern battle rifles or HMGs, stronger firearms are more like autocannons'.
Personally, I think the latter is the most likely to be true, as it is supported by the codex, most of the book showings, some trailers, the weapon descriptions, and Paragon Lost. Then again, as Connor has pointed out before, it's also highly dependent on how exactly ME's shields are supposed to work.
Lots of unanswered questions there. I would wager that Grunt's shields are at least a lot tougher than Thel's, though, as Elite shielding consistently goes down to bursts of small arms fire from modern-ish weapons. On the Carbine itself, I remember someone 'calculating' it to have something absurd like 25 KJ per shot based on its weight (loaded and unloaded), but that doesn't take into account the weight of anything but the actual projectiles., and contradicts the Carbine not blowing people apart in The Return.For fun, using the same logic for the M16 rifle gets you about 11 KJAs for strength feats. Not that they'd really be relevant in this fight, but as with a lot of Halo-related questions, Rama provides some good answers. With Sangheili it's difficult to call, since most examples involve powered armor (powered armor doesn't need to be full bodied, for as long as it can mitigate and stimulate certain stresses in the central musculature where most lifting is performed it's doing its job); there are a few examples here and there of barely clothed Sangheili warriors in action, but nothing really concrete.Krogan strength feats, on the other hand, are more nebulous rather than statistical. To recall off the top of my head:1) Wrex manages to lift and toss a roughly 90 kilo man into air, ten meters vertically, using him to bowl over a group of other humanoids. Assuming the force exerted upon the lift is equal in part to the work required to launch a one kilo ball ten meters into the air, then a Krogan would require a hundred times the lifting work capacity of the average human to accomplish such a feat.
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In fact compared to peak NFL athletes (as in the top 10%) a Krogan would be over twenty times stronger - at a minimum. Click to expand.The Claymore will end Thel if Grunt lands a hit, no doubt about that. It's powerful enough that the recoil would shatter a human soldier's arms.
The power required to do this is absolutely insane, especially for a gun that fires such tiny projectiles; the only other weapons that are noted to be able to do so are anti-materiel rifles which are designed to kill ME armored vehicles, which requires penetrating incredibly potent shielding and futuristic tank armor. Its power is supported by (1:35-1:40), where the Claymore blasts a Thresher Maw's head into meaty chunks (it was fired from inside its mouth, but still; Thresher Maws are capable of slaughtering tank platoons alone). Well, that and its in-game stats (it does more damage than the aforementioned anti-materiel rifles). The effectiveness of the Carbine (and Grunt's Avenger) depends a lot on what calcs you use for Mass Effect, e.g. 'mass accelerators are about as powerful as modern firearms of the same type, with some special exceptions' or 'ME assault rifles are on par with high end modern battle rifles or HMGs, stronger firearms are more like autocannons'.
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Personally, I think the latter is the most likely to be true, as it is supported by the codex, most of the book showings, some trailers, the weapon descriptions, and Paragon Lost. Then again, as Connor has pointed out before, it's also highly dependent on how exactly ME's shields are supposed to work. Lots of unanswered questions there. I would wager that Grunt's shields are at least a lot tougher than Thel's, though, as Elite shielding consistently goes down to bursts of small arms fire from modern-ish weapons. On the Carbine itself, I remember someone 'calculating' it to have something absurd like 25 KJ per shot based on its weight (loaded and unloaded), but that doesn't take into account the weight of anything but the actual projectiles., and contradicts the Carbine not blowing people apart in The Return.For fun, using the same logic for the M16 rifle gets you about 11 KJAs for strength feats.
Not that they'd really be relevant in this fight, but as with a lot of Halo-related questions, Rama provides some good answers:The Claymore will end Thel if Grunt lands a hit, no doubt about that. It's powerful enough that the recoil would shatter a human soldier's arms. The power required to do this is absolutely insane, especially for a gun that fires such tiny projectiles; the only other weapons that are noted to be able to do so are anti-materiel rifles which are designed to kill ME armored vehicles, which requires penetrating incredibly potent shielding and futuristic tank armor. Its power is supported by (1:35-1:40), where the Claymore blasts a Thresher Maw's head into meaty chunks (it was fired from inside its mouth, but still; Thresher Maws are capable of slaughtering tank platoons alone).
Well, that and its in-game stats (it does more damage than the aforementioned anti-materiel rifles).How? Grunt's 'shotgun' can kill tanks, and Inferno Ammo + Concussive Shot basically gives it a rocket launcher as a secondary fire mode.Do neither of them have shields? SUMMARYThe Plasma Caster is a versatile munitions launcher designed for frontline infantry and shock trooper roles. The weapon can fire up to five explosive rounds in quick succession, or fire a single charged round at a greater distance which adheres to a surface before detonating, releasing additional explosives to pepper the immediate area. The weapon’s relatively clean area of effect allows it to be used surgically in the hands of a proficient user, though at range its slower projectile velocity requires more skill to wield effectively. The purpose of the Plasma Caster is to soften and break up enemy lines and entrenched positions, especially those augmented by stationary weapons.
The effectiveness of the Carbine (and Grunt's Avenger) depends a lot on what calcs you use for Mass Effect, e.g. 'mass accelerators are about as powerful as modern firearms of the same type, with some special exceptions' or 'ME assault rifles are on par with high end modern battle rifles or HMGs, stronger firearms are more like autocannons'. Personally, I think the latter is the most likely to be true, as it is supported by the codex, most of the book showings, some trailers, the weapon descriptions, and Paragon Lost. Then again, as Connor has pointed out before, it's also highly dependent on how exactly ME's shields are supposed to work. Lots of unanswered questions there. I would wager that Grunt's shields are at least a lot tougher than Thel's, though, as Elite shielding consistently goes down to bursts of small arms fire from modern-ish weapons.
On the Carbine itself, I remember someone 'calculating' it to have something absurd like 25 KJ per shot based on its weight (loaded and unloaded), but that doesn't take into account the weight of anything but the actual projectiles., and contradicts the Carbine not blowing people apart in The Return.For fun, using the same logic for the M16 rifle gets you about 11 KJAs for strength feats. Not that they'd really be relevant in this fight, but as with a lot of Halo-related questions, Rama provides some good answers:The Claymore will end Thel if Grunt lands a hit, no doubt about that. It's powerful enough that the recoil would shatter a human soldier's arms.
The power required to do this is absolutely insane, especially for a gun that fires such tiny projectiles; the only other weapons that are noted to be able to do so are anti-materiel rifles which are designed to kill ME armored vehicles, which requires penetrating incredibly potent shielding and futuristic tank armor. Its power is supported by (1:35-1:40), where the Claymore blasts a Thresher Maw's head into meaty chunks (it was fired from inside its mouth, but still; Thresher Maws are capable of slaughtering tank platoons alone). Well, that and its in-game stats (it does more damage than the aforementioned anti-materiel rifles).How? Grunt's 'shotgun' can kill tanks, and Inferno Ammo + Concussive Shot basically gives it a rocket launcher as a secondary fire mode.Do neither of them have shields? Click to expand.The Claymore kills tanks?
It doing more damage than a anti-materiel rifle in game is no way to quantify that.Krogan has some very weak feats as well. Krogan bodyguards put down by a single pistol shot each, Wrex dying after 3 and such (canon game events if you pick that choice).On Sangheili strength feats we have a Zealot holding Emile aloft with a outstretched arm (450kg with a single outstretched arm is insane). Try taking something and hold it directly in front of you with a outstretched arm, it's very difficult.
Then we have smashing down a solid metal door over a foot thick and of course a Elite stated to be 'as strong as the master chief'.The 'bullet resistant' plates of the Krogan don't seem to be very good at stopping pistol rounds. They can also be killed in CQC with a knife as Kai Leng did.I don't care how many redundant organs a Krogan has, being run through with the Prophets bane will destroy any it touches and boil the ones that it doesn't.I think what cannot be overstated here is that Thel is far smarter than Grunt. He is less bloodthirsty and reckless. Thel was the best tactician the Covenant had, vs a young, bloodthirsty Krogan who again and again runs headfirst into things.Thel should also have camo here (his armour and the prophets bane both have it). I think any hit with most of the weapons is going to do some serious damage. Grunt will not be laughing if he gets hit with the storm rifle, redundant organs are good and all, but a limb melted off can't be replaced so quickly.Thel takes it because he is smarter, that's my opinion.
Doing more damage than the anti-materiel rifle in-game is only one piece of evidence. Others include it being powerful enough to break a human's arm with the recoil (which only the anti-materiel rifles can do otherwise), and it being powerful enough to reduce a Thresher Maw's head to giblets.Such 'feats' are worthless; the books, codex, and weapon descriptions have them being much tougher, and we already have the precedent of flavor text overriding cutscenes.That scene where Wrex dies still has a krogan in antiquated armor and without shields/barriers taking dozens of mass accelerator rifle rounds to put down, btw)Okay.The Elite hits the blast door. The blast door falls inwards with a small dent on it. It is pretty clearly a very shitty blast door, makes the feat borderline worthless. A real blast door wouldn't fail like that due to some tiny dents.Not valid, and Kai Leng stabbed the krogan in a weak spot.Why exactly does a sword matter here?
There's nothing stopping them from shooting each other.Based on what, exactly? Thel does his fair share of dumb shit, and Grunt was created to be the perfect krogan, which includes a brain that comes pre-loaded with encyclopedic knowledge of battle tactics (plus history, weapon designs, biology, etc.). He's also tactically astute enough to cleave through small armies alone and lead elite special forces teams. You don't hand that kind of job to a moron.The same camo that can be seen through by Keyes?Good thing he has incredibly tough armor and shields, then, on top of the 'Fortification' power and his natural toughness. Meanwhile Thel has no defense against Grunt's insanely powerful shotgun.
Grunt just needs to shoot Thel once, and I'm pretty sure he can manage that.Thel has weaker shielding and weapons. So you're going to need to justify why exactly Grunt is too much of a gibbering moron to take advantage of this, especially when he's supposed to be incredibly intelligent. The krogan aren't hardcoded to be dumber than everyone else, and Grunt is supposed to be perfect.No they aren't. Click to expand.So in game canon feats are 'worthless' but a dramatised trailer is perfectly acceptable? Lol.Then it gets even better, of course the blast door was 'shitty' because it fell after some 'small dents'.
You can't quantify that at all. Using that logic I can say all those Krogan lifting feats were with styrofoam that looked like metal and such. Pathetic.Totally valid by the way, it's not stated how but just that Kai Leng killed a Krogan with a knife, show me the PROOF it was in a weak spot.You do know how shotguns work right? It doesn't matter if it's powerful enough to break a humans arm, it's doing nothing to a tank. Shotguns have crappy penetration, something that you need to kill tanks.
Even then a tank that's destroyed by a anti materiel rifle is a shitty tank.The sword matters a lot, it's Thels signature weapon, and it's a straight kill if he gets close enough to use it.It took Keyes (A veteran of the covenant war, trained and knowledgeable about covenant tactics) being in very close proximity to notice a near 8ft tall alien. Proof Grunt has the eyesight plus knowledge to know that Thel is coming for him before it's too late?Mr battle tactics Grunt who is so reckless he is outsmarted by a unarmoured human straight away. Constantly charges headlong into enemy fire, and at his best has commanded a company.
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Thel was Thel Vadamee, a supreme commander with 10s of thousands under his command, explicity stated to be the most dangerous covenant commander.You can't even prove Thel has weaker shields, especially with his newer spec armour. Weapons either, considering covenant plasma weapons can melt off limbs or cause third degree burns with near misses.Though if you keep twisting the narrative like you are and discarding canon feats for trailers, I can dig up some pretty crazy stuff for elites in general if you like?